Alex Rampell and Erik Torenberg speak with Mike Cannon-Brookes, cofounder and CEO of Atlassian, about how to make sense of the SaaS selloff, why not all software companies face the same AI-driven risks, and how Atlassian is thinking about the shift from records to processes. They also examine the real design challenge of getting everyday users to trust and benefit from AI agents in enterprise workflows. Timestamps: 00:00 — Introduction 03:16 — Risk Level Has Gone Up 06:44 — Three Types of SaaS Companies 11:07 — Vibe Coding Is Preposterous 14:23 — Businesses Are a Set of Processes 31:25 — AI Credits as Casino Chips 35:24 — How Atlassian Is Adapting 43:26 — Why Customer Trust Is Hard Resources: Follow Alex Rampell on X: https://twitter.com/arampell Follow Erik Torenberg on X: https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg Follow Mike Cannon-Brookes on X: https://twitter.com/mcannonbrookes Stay Updated: If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to like, subscribe, and share with your friends! Find a16z on X: https://twitter.com/a16z Find a16z on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/a16z Listen to the a16z Show on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5bC65RDvs3oxnLyqqvkUYX Listen to the a16z Show on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a16z-podcast/id842818711 Follow our host: https://x.com/eriktorenberg Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. a16z and its affiliates may maintain investments in the companies discussed. For more details please see http://a16z.com/disclosures.