Freddie Sayers meets philosopher John Gray, in part one of a two-part interview. Read the article: https://unherd.com/2022/10/the-revenge-of-the-technocrats/ Listen to the podcast: https://shows.acast.com/lockdowntv-with-freddie-sayers/john-gray-part-I-revenge-of-the-technocrats John Gray was the prophet of the postliberal age, describing global capitalism as a false utopia as early as 1998. In his most recent writing, he has returned to geopolitics, and has described the populist moment, the pandemic, and the growing threat of superpower conflict as existential threats to the liberal, technocratic order. Amid this chaos, Rishi Sunak — former Goldman Sachs banker — has become Britain’s new prime minister. Has the technocratic order of the 2010s returned? Or has the modern world moved beyond its reach? Follow UnHerd on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/unherd Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unherd/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unherd/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@unherdtv // TIMECODES // 00:00 - 02:23 - Introduction 02:23 - 06:25 - Does Prime Minister Rishi Sunak herald the revenge of the technocrats? 06:25 - 22:17 - How do you explain the British Conservative Party’s failure to harness the political realignment and Brexit populism? 22:17 - 29:01 - Are technocrats taking back control? 29:01 - 34:26 - Where does the Labour Party fit in? 34:26 - 42:17 - Does Britain need new parties, proportional representation, or something else? 42:17 - 42:44 - Concluding thoughts #UnHerd #JohnGray #RishiSunak