Freddie Sayers meets John Gray in part two of a two-part interview. Watch Part I: https://youtu.be/BvWczz1q0jU Read the accompanying Part I article: https://unherd.com/2022/10/the-revenge-of-the-technocrats/ Listen to the podcast: https://shows.acast.com/lockdowntv-with-freddie-sayers/john-gray-part-ii-welcome-to-the-era-of-tragic-realism Follow UnHerd on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/unherd Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unherd/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unherd/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@unherdtv // TIMECODES // 00:00 - 01:09 - Introduction 01:09 - 06:37 - Philosopher John Gray’s take on wider European politics 06:37 - 18:02 - The European Union is a deeply flawed End of History project 18:02 - 24:40 - Has the West made tensions over Ukraine and Taiwan worse? 24:40 - 28:32 - Would Putin use a nuclear weapon? 28:32 - 43:17 - What does the future hold for the Russia-Ukraine conflict? 43:17 - 58:34 - Will America and China go to war over Taiwan? 58:34 - 01:04:43 - What does John Gray’s ‘tragic realism’ mean for the UK and other medium-size countries? 01:04:43 - 01:15:47 - How can you strengthen the state without infringing on people’s freedoms? 01:15:47 - 01:18:15 - Concluding thoughts #UnHerd #JohnGray #Realism