Steven Rinella talks with Benji Backer, Ryan Callaghan, and Randall Williams. Topics discussed: How wilderness is (or should be) non-partisan; pulling a B&E at Doug’s place; the latest anti-hunting crusade over Florida’s bear hunt; knocking on doors for candidates at age 10 and starting a PAC at 18; becoming disillusioned and starting Nature Is Nonpartisan; what we define as a conservation “win”; politicians being the problem; creating space for a national conservation coalition; farmers mitigating climate change; not “shitting up” America; and more. Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube Check out the gear the MeatEater Crew uses in the field here: https://store.themeateater.com Follow us: Web: https://www.themeateater.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/meateater Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction & Benji Backer Background 07:15 - Christmas Tour Announcement 11:42 - Wilderness Act & Conservation History 14:25 - Buffalo Jerky & American Bison Recovery 18:29 - Maryland Bear "Attack" Story 19:49 - Florida Bear Hunt Controversy 27:04 - Sierra Club's Bear Tag Strategy 33:42 - Getting Started in Politics at Age 10 42:10 - Why Conservation Became Partisan 50:01 - Co-Founding Turning Point USA (Never Before Told) 55:18 - Receiving Death Threats as a Teen Activist 59:03 - The Problem With Online vs. Real America 01:09:22 - Public Lands Selloff Victory 01:18:44 - Nature is Nonpartisan Origin Story 01:26:58 - Where Democrats Are Failing on Environment 01:34:03 - Creating Cultural Movement Like "Support the Troops" 01:43:42 - Choosing Which Battles to Fight 01:48:02 - Farmers & Climate Change Reality 01:51:34 - Why Philanthropy Is More Broken Than Politics 01:56:31 - United by Nature Campaign Launch 02:02:10 - Wrap Up & Future Plans