It's a Nintendo Switch 2. What could it cost, a thousand dollars? In this episode, Nilay, David, and The Verge's Richard Lawler talk through why we don't really know. But first, we talk about the Switch 2, and some of the reasons we're excited — and maybe just a little concerned — about Nintendo's new console. This is likely to be the most interesting device of the year, and we learned an awful lot more about it this week. We also talk about Microsoft's 50th anniversary, the fate of TikTok, and other gadget news. Then we get to tariffs, with the help of Tuneshine creator Tobias Butler, who explains how tariffs affect the way hardware companies do business — and how they're navigating the current uncertainty. After that, in the lightning round, it's time for a little Brendan Carr is a Dummy, followed by the latest on Tesla's sales numbers, Alexa Plus, and Coyote vs. Acme. Vote for us in the Webbys: https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2025/podcasts/shows/technology Further reading: The 50 best things Microsoft has ever made: https://www.theverge.com/microsoft/636951/microsoft-50-best-products-anniversary Nintendo Switch 2 hands-on: it’s all in the games: https://www.theverge.com/nintendo/642420/nintendo-switch-2-hands-on-preview Nvidia confirms the Nintendo Switch 2 has DLSS and real-time ray tracing: https://www.theverge.com/news/642793/nintendo-switch-2-dlss-support-nvidia-ray-tracing Nintendo Switch 2 specs: 1080p 120Hz display, 4K dock, mouse mode, and more: https://www.theverge.com/news/630264/nintendo-switch-2-specs-details-performance Here’s everything Nintendo has revealed about the Switch 2’s Joy-Cons: https://www.theverge.com/news/642024/nintendo-switch-2-joy-con-controllers-mouse-magnetic-attach-c-button ‘TikTok America,’ Amazon, and other rumors about who might buy TikTok: https://www.theverge.com/news/642158/tiktok-america-ban-amazon-applovin-rumor-deadline Tuneshine – Your space, your music: https://www.tuneshine.rocks/ Donald Trump announces tariffs that could raise the price of almost everything you buy: https://www.theverge.com/news/642240/trump-tariffs-imports-apple-manufacturing Reciprocal Tariff Calculations | United States Trade Representative: https://ustr.gov/issue-areas/reciprocal-tariff-calculations Trump’s new tariff math looks a lot like ChatGPT’s: https://www.theverge.com/news/642620/trump-tariffs-formula-ai-chatgpt-gemini-claude-grok Trump’s tariffs are ‘a debacle of epic proportions’ for the auto industry: https://www.theverge.com/cars/642706/car-tariff-trump-price-increase-loan-ford-gm-tesla T-Mobile closes Lumos deal after dropping DEI: https://www.theverge.com/news/641068/t-mobile-closes-lumos-deal-after-dropping-dei E&C Democrats Launch Investigation into FCC Chairman Carr’s Repeated Attacks on the First Amendment: https://democrats-energycommerce.house.gov/media/press-releases/ec-democrats-launch-investigation-fcc-chairman-carrs-repeated-attacks-first Sony’s new Bravia lineup includes its ‘King of TV’ successor: https://www.theverge.com/news/641755/sony-bravia-8-ii-qd-oled-announced-king-of-tv-successor Tesla’s sales plummet 13 percent as Musk backlash grows: https://www.theverge.com/news/641311/tesla-q1-2025-delivery-production-sales-slump-musk Best printer 2025: just buy a Brother laser printer, the winner is clear, middle finger in the air: https://www.theverge.com/tech/641940/best-printer-2025-just-buy-a-brother-laser-printer-middle-finger-in-the-air Alexa Plus just launched in early access, but it’s missing some features: https://www.theverge.com/news/639697/amazon-alexa-plus-launch-early-access-missing-features Coyote vs. Acme is finally coming to theaters: https://www.theverge.com/news/632742/coyote-v-acme-ketchup-entertainment-theatrical-release 00:00 Intro and Webby awards nomination 00:15 Welcome to Vergecast 02:18 Microsoft's 50th Anniversary 15:42 Nintendo Switch 2 reactions 26:48 TikTok's uncertain future 46:59 Tuneshine's Tobias Butler on tariffs and small business 01:13:58 Brendan Carr is a dummy 01:26:51 Sony’s new Bravia lineup 01:31:31 Saturday Samsung 01:35:40 Tesla's declining sales 01:40:52 Coyote vs. Acme returns 01:43:39 The best printer recommendation Subscribe: http://goo.gl/G5RXGs Like The Verge on Facebook: https://goo.gl/2P1aGc Follow on Twitter: https://goo.gl/XTWX61 Follow on Instagram: https://goo.gl/7ZeLvX Follow on TikTok: http://bit.ly/42VeCVU The Vergecast Podcast: https://pod.link/vergecast Decoder with Nilay Patel: https://link.chtbl.com/decoder More about our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts Read More: http://www.theverge.com Community guidelines: http://bit.ly/2D0hlAv Wallpapers from The Verge: https://bit.ly/2xQXYJr If you buy something from a Verge link, Vox Media may receive a commission without exerting any influence on editorial content. For more information about our ethics policy, visit: https://bit.ly/3P4bJgz