Leo Laporte sits down with Cindy Cohn, outgoing executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, to discuss her new book "Privacy's Defender: My Thirty-Year Fight Against Digital Surveillance." Cindy walks through three landmark legal battles that shaped the modern internet — freeing encryption from U.S. munitions law, exposing the NSA's secret Room 641A wiretapping operation inside AT&T, and challenging the FBI's gag-order-laden National Security Letters. They also dig into the headlines of right now: DOGE's reported access to Social Security records, IRS data used for immigration enforcement, and facial recognition deployed against protesters. As Cindy puts it, "we used to be talking about a scary future where the ability to marshal data against us was something that could happen — and now more and more people are seeing that we're actually living in a lot of that future." But she makes the case that the fight is still winnable. Get "Privacy's Defender" (Amazon Affiliate Link): https://amzn.to/4bFuanb Host: Leo Laporte Guest: Cindy Cohn TWiT+ Club Shows episode 739 More Info: https://twit.tv/shows/twit-plus-club-shows/episodes/739 Join the Club TWiT Discord https://twit.memberful.com/account/discord/authorize Refer a friend to Club TWiT and get a free month! Get details at https://twit.tv/clubtwit/referral Products we recommend: https://www.amazon.com/shop/twitnetcastnetwork TWiT may earn commissions on certain products. Follow us: Website: https://twit.tv/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/twit.tv Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@TWiT Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TWiTNetwork Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/twit.tv/ X (Twitter): https://x.com/TWiT TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@twittok LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/twit-llc About us: TWiT.tv is a technology podcasting network located in the San Francisco Bay Area with the #1 ranked technology podcast This Week in Tech hosted by Leo Laporte. Every week we produce dozens of hours of content on a variety of programs including Tech News Weekly, MacBreak Weekly, Windows Weekly, Security Now, Intelligent Machines, and more. #PrivacyRights #EFF #DigitalSurveillance #Encryption #DataProtection