How did Robert F. Kennedy — once the heir-apparent to the Kennedy family's Democratic dynasty — become the Secretary of Health in the Trump administration and the nation's most important anti-vaccine advocate? Michael Scherer, staff writer at The Atlantic, sat down with Kennedy for 7+ hours, getting to know him during jean-clad workouts, Congressional hearings, and the plane ride where Kennedy learned of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. The image Michael paints of Kennedy, in a profile published in The Atlantic this month, is a man of extreme changes — a promising political figure turned heroin addict, an environmental lawyer turned anti-vaccine activist, a Democratic presidential candidate turned Republican Secretary of Health. Contributor Alex Wagner sits down with Michael for an interesting conversation to ask if a better understanding of the strange political figure can help us better make sense of his dangerous approach to health and politics. CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS: POLICY GENIUS - http://policygenius.com PDS DEBT - http://pdsdebt.com/crooked STRAWBERRY.ME - http://strawberry.me/crooked BOMBAS - http://bombas.com/crooked CODE: CROOKED CHAPTERS 0:00 - Intro to Michael Scherer of The Atlantic 2:24 - RFK Atlantic Cover Story 5:05 - From Kennedy Democrat to Anti-Vaxxer 11:31 - RFK Jr. and the Kennedy Legacy 17:26 - Ad Break 20:24 - RFK Jr’s Relationship with Trump 28:07 - What RFK Is Actually Like 34:10 - Ad Break 36:43 - The RFK Jr. Clown Show 41:14 - Targeting Dr. Fauci and Scientists 45:28 - RFK Jr. on Autism 49:18 - Regaining the Public Trust 53:07 - The Bear Carcass, Whale Head, & Brain Worm of It All 55:15 - Olivia Nuzzi Affair 1:00:28 - Kennedy’s Future Plans Join this channel to get access to perks like ad-free episodes and exclusive videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKRoXz3hHAu2XL_k3Ef4vJQ/join Subscribe to our channel! https://www.youtube.com/crookedmedia?sub_confirmation=1 Photos courtesy of AP Photo Archive Crooked believes that we need a better conversation about politics, culture, and the world around us—one that doesn’t just focus on what’s broken, but what we can do to fix it. At a time when it’s increasingly easy to feel cynical or hopeless, former Obama staffers Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett, and Tommy Vietor have created a place where people can have sane conversations that inform, entertain, and inspire action. In 2017 they started Crooked with Pod Save America—a no-bullshit conversation about politics. Since then, we continue to add shows, voices, and opportunities for activism, because it’s up to all of us to do our part to build a better world. That’s it. End of mission. Learn more about Crooked at http://www.crooked.com Follow the pod on Twitter https://twitter.com/podsaveamerica Follow Crooked on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/CrookedMedia/ Follow Crooked on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/crookedmedia/