Join John, Mike & Elisha Lee as they discuss common problematic apologies around the practice of polygamy in early Church History. From lies being called “carefully worded denials” and attempts to differentiate between “plural marriage” which God approved of or “spiritual wifery” which was not, and the fact that this is still current doctrine and what women have to look forward to in eternity and the harms caused past and present from this doctrine. Special Guest: Elisha Lee Faith Unraveled Tiktok: http://tiktok.com/@faith.unraveled (Faith Transition Focused) Soul Unraveled Tiktok: http://tiktok.com/@soul.unraveled (Personal Journey Focused) LDS Discussion Essay on Apologetics: http://ldsdiscussions.com/polygamy-final LDS Discussions Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p7gAxwsM_k&list=PLxq5opj6GqOB7J1n6pMmdUSezxcLfsced 00:00:00 Introduction 00:05:15 A recap of our first five episodes on polygamy 00:11:00 What we’ll cover in this 6th and final polygamy episode 00:12:30 John Taylor’s 1886 Revelation on Polygamy 00:14:00 The text of God’s polygamy revelation to John Taylor 00:20:00 Post-manifesto polygamy 00:30:30 The New and Everlasting Covenant *IS* Polygamy 00:42:50 God changes His mind four years after saying polygamy is everlasting 00:50:20 The first paragraph of the Church’s essay on polygamy 00:54:30 Spiritual Wifery vs. Plural Marriage 01:01:50 Accounts of spiritual wifery from the women involved 01:08:00 Remember Joseph Smith’s 1841 teachings about sin 01:10:00 Carefully worded denials 01:13:05 An example of Joseph Smith’s ‘Carefully Worded Denials’ 01:21:20 The church alters history to erase Joseph Smith’s dishonesty 01:24:30 Joseph Smith uses the Relief Society to mislead about polygamy 01:27:10 The men also signed a statement disavowing polygamy 01:33:15 God wasn’t clear enough with instructions to Joseph Smith 01:35:15 Examples of where God was incredibly specific 01:42:15 Joseph Smith - the Reluctant Polygamist 01:51:30 Both D&C 132 and the Happiness Letter make it clear who wanted polygamy 02:00:15 The angel with a drawn sword story 02:05:20 The priorities of the God of Mormonism 02:12:00 Joseph thought he could trick God with polyandry 02:14:00 Time (sex now) vs. Eternity (sex later) polygamous marriages 02:19:45 Trying to justify Joseph Smith’s polygamy Dynastic sealings 02:24:30 The Law of Sarah and Joseph Smith’s “Oops!” moment 02:28:15 Spiritual witnesses in Mormon polygamy 02:35:15 The problem using spiritual witnesses to shut down the conversation 02:39:20 Joseph Smith once again changes God’s words 02:46:10 Follow the footnotes…follow the footnotes 02:49:00 Polygamy is still doctrine for the eternities 02:54:00 This is what every woman in the church has to look forward to 03:03:00 the conclusions on Joseph Smith and Mormon polygamy Episode Show Notes: https://mormonstories.org/podcast/polygamy-apologetics-lds-disc LDS Discussions 6-part Polygamy Series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqp9bdHd3io&list=PLxq5opj6GqOCtRHWmdfD5-6Eq18VYBrcE LDS Discussions Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p7gAxwsM_k&list=PLxq5opj6GqOB7J1n6pMmdUSezxcLfsced _________________________ LDS Discussions is made possible by generous donors! Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?default_interval=m Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Amazon Smile: Be sure to select “Mormon Stories” website: https://smile.amazon.com app: https://amz.run/5r2M LDS Discussions Platforms: Website & Essays: https://www.ldsdiscussions.com Anchor: https://anchor.fm/lds-discussions Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2UkFsqYDl5SHiRX2dvA9MO YouTube Playlist on Mormon Stories Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxq5opj6GqOB7J1n6pMmdUSezxcLfsced LDS Discussions on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/ldsdiscussions Facebook: facebook.com/ldsdiscussion Insta: instagram.com/ldsdiscussions Contact Mormon Stories: MormonStories@gmail.com PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Mormon Stories on Social Media: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstoriespodcast Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF #LDSDiscussions #MormonStories #polygamy