Eilon Reshef is the co-founder and chief product officer at Gong, one of the most ubiquitous B2B products in the world. In our conversation, we discuss: • Gong’s unique approach to working with design partners • Their unique pod model • Why Eilon makes big decisions quickly • Lessons learned from being early in AI • The power of extreme focus • His “spiral method” for learning complex topics quickly • How to maintain quality while optimizing for speed — Brought to you by: • WorkOS—Modern identity platform for B2B SaaS, free up to 1 million MAUs: https://workos.com/lenny • Think Fast Talk Smart—Tools and techniques to help you communicate more effectively: https://fastersmarter.io/ • Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security: https://vanta.com/lenny Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-gong-eilon-reshef Where to find Eilon Reshef: • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eilonreshef Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Eilon’s background (04:20) The pod model (06:33) Working with design partners (09:13) Finding and coordinating design partners (13:12) Balancing customer feedback and vision (15:10) Gong's 95% feature adoption (17:05) The importance of autonomy and trust (23:30) How to implement this unique way of working (27:15) Speed and decision-making (31:47) Early AI adoption and lessons learned (35:50) Building effective AI teams (38:16) The spiral method for learning (41:36) Narrowing down the initial customer profile (44:24) Failure corner (46:35) Lightning round Referenced: • Gong: https://www.gong.io • Cisco: https://www.cisco.com/ • How Gong builds product: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-gong-builds-product • What is Montessori education?: https://amshq.org/About-Montessori/What-Is-Montessori • Isaac Asimov: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov • Amit Bendov on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amitbendov/ • Lessons from scaling Spotify: The science of product, taking risky bets, and how AI is already impacting the future of music | Gustav Söderström (Co-President, CPO, and CTO at Spotify): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-scaling-spotify-the • Nvidia: https://www.nvidia.com • Figma: https://www.figma.com • The Spiral Method: https://www.gong.io/blog/using-the-spiral-method/ • Webex: https://www.webex.com/ • L’Oréal: https://www.lorealparisusa.com/ • American Express: https://www.americanexpress.com/ • Slow Horses on AppleTV+: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/slow-horses/umc.cmc.2szz3fdt71tl1ulnbp8utgq5o • Dishwasher basket: https://www.amazon.com/Munchkin-High-Capacity-Dishwasher-Basket/dp/B07ZPMYKKS/ • What most people miss about marketing | Rory Sutherland (Vice Chairman of Ogilvy UK, author): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/what-most-people-miss-about-marketing • Occam’s razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor • Hanlon’s razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor • Sabich: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabich#Ingredients_and_description • Careers at Gong: https://www.gong.io/careers Recommended books: • Marty Cagan’s books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Marty-Cagan/author/B00J21JTNM • “The Machine That Won the War”: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18402398-the-machine-that-won-the-war • Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling Disruptive Products to Mainstream Customers: https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Chasm-3rd-Disruptive-Mainstream/dp/0062292986 • The Ideal Executive: https://www.amazon.com/Ideal-Executive-Ichak-Kalderon-Adizes/dp/0937120030/ • Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking when Stakes Are High: https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Conversations-Tools-Talking-Stakes/dp/1260474186/ Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.