Pamela Hemphill—widely known as “MAGA Granny”—was once a proud supporter of Donald Trump and a participant in the January 6 Capitol riot. But after serving time in federal prison and reflecting deeply on her actions, she made history by doing something almost no one else has ever done: she refused a presidential pardon from Donald Trump. In this emotional, wide-ranging interview with Melvin Edwards (host of Stories from Real Life), Hemphill shares: Why she believed Trump’s lies about a stolen election Her personal journey of de-radicalization The trauma of prison and the healing that followed Her motivations for rejecting Trump’s pardon Her current work to make amends and speak out against extremism This is a raw and heartfelt conversation about accountability, transformation, and moral courage—featuring one of the only Americans in history to refuse a presidential pardon. My Substack page: https://culturefaithandpolitics.substack.com/ My books are available on Amazon: "A Christian Case Against Donald Trump" (2024): https://a.co/d/iVSTqny "MAGA Seduction: Resisting the Debasement of the Christian Conscience" (2020): https://a.co/d/1KNX3uQ