Ramit Sethi of I Will Teach You To Be Rich talks to Meg and Jo, a married couple in their 60s with more than $6 million in net worth, strong incomes, and a retirement problem that is not really about money. Meg is ready to stop working. Jo wants to retire too, but feels terrified of making the wrong decision and carrying the responsibility for their investments alone. Despite having millions, speaking with financial advisors, and living well below their means, they remain stuck between fear, resentment, and “vibes.” A special thanks to Facet for sponsoring this episode. As of the date of this recording, Facet is waiving their enrollment fee for new annual members, and for Ramit’s audience, Facet is offering $300 into your brokerage account if you invest and maintain $5,000 within your first 90 days. Head to facet.com/ramit to learn more about which membership option is best for you. Offer has been extended to 12/31/2026. #FacetAd Facet is a SEC registered investment advisor. Ramit is not a member of Facet, and has an incentive to endorse Facet as he has an ongoing fee based contract for cash compensation based on this endorsement. All opinions are his own and not a guarantee of a similar outcome. In this episode we uncover: • Why Meg feels entitled to retire and Jo feels alone carrying the financial responsibility • How Jo became the financial gatekeeper in their relationship • Why Meg has avoided learning the details of their investments • How different childhood experiences with money shaped their fears • Why Jo’s experience during the 2008 financial crash still affects her decisions today • How emotional labor around money can quietly create resentment in a marriage • Why their disagreement about renovating their home is really about control and security • What their $6.1M net worth, pension, investments, and spending actually allow them to do • Why working longer could leave them with $14M they may never use • The three retirement scenarios that show they can retire sooner than they thought • Why Ramit says Meg needs to “step into her wealth” • What Meg and Jo decided after seeing the numbers clearly ⏩ CHAPTERS (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:26) Meg wants to retire, but Jo is hesitant (00:05:40) How Jo became the financial gatekeeper (00:10:19) “I wish you were a partner” (00:19:18) Why Jo is scared to manage retirement alone (00:27:22) Jo’s scarcity mindset and family history (00:41:02) Renovating the house reveals deeper resentment (00:46:46) “What do you base that on?” “Vibes.” (01:01:24) The 2008 crash and Jo’s fear of losing security (01:04:57) Their Conscious Spending Plan (01:09:07) “I spent for dopamine. I gambled like an addict.” (01:16:57) They have enough money but do not believe it (01:19:22) Three retirement scenarios (01:30:01) Why Meg thought Jo was saying they could not retire (01:30:49) “God, I wish you were a partner” (01:32:38) Choosing their retirement timeline (01:36:07) Creating a retirement paycheck (01:40:48) What happens if one of them dies? (01:48:21) Meg and Jo’s follow-up (01:49:54) “We have more money than time” 💡 RAMIT’S PODCAST NEWSLETTER • I share new ways to think about money every Saturday. Get the emails here: https://iwt.com/podcastnewsletter 🙌 GET HELP FROM RAMIT SETHI • Order my new book: Money for Couples: https://iwt.com/moneyforcouples • Take control of your money with the Conscious Spending Plan: https://iwt.com/csp • Optimize your credit cards with the 1st chapter of my book: https://iwt.com/chapter1-pod • Join my Rich Life: Road to $100K program: https://iwt.com/100k • Listen to my book — now on Audible: https://amzn.to/48zko28 🤳 CONNECT WITH RAMIT SETHI • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ramit/ • X: https://twitter.com/ramit ✅ SUBSCRIBE SO YOU DON’T MISS ANY EPISODES https://youtube.com/user/ramitsethi/featured/ THIS EPISODE IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY MasterClass | For unlimited access to every class and at least 15% off any annual membership, go to https://masterclass.com/ramit DeleteMe | Get 20% off all consumer plans when you go to https://joindeleteme.com/ramit and use promo code RAMIT at checkout Fabric by Gerber Life | Go to meetfabric.com/RAMIT and apply today, risk-free LMNT | Get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any order at https://drinklmnt.com/RAMIT NetSuite | If your revenues are in the seven figures, go to https://netsuite.ai/ramit to try NetSuite Next for free Ready to stop wondering where your money goes and start building your first $100K? Join Rich Life: Road to $100K at iwt.com/100K Apply to be coached for free on this podcast at https://iwt.com/apply