Dr. Jacob Barandes is a professor of Physics at Harvard University who studies the foundations of physics. He has emerged as a leading skeptic of the idea that our universe is somehow fundamentally mathematical in nature, marking a full cycle of more than two thousand years of ink spilled about the nature of the universe. Barandes has found that there is a way of modeling the basement membrane of reality as being made of bodies with location, where everything from superposition to electricity and magnetism are a product of the motions of these bodies. Our conversation spans the basic principles that Barandes has used to arrive at this conclusion, the vital role that confusion over what constitutes a “measurement” plays in producing a highly paradoxical interpretation of nature, and the fact that this debate about the nature of the universe - substance versus mathematics - has been raging for more than two thousand years, with no end in sight. MAKE HISTORY WITH US THIS SUMMER: https://demystifysci.com/demysticon-2025 PATREON https://www.patreon.com/c/demystifysci PARADIGM DRIFT https://demystifysci.com/paradigm-drift-show 00:00 Go! 00:05:40 – What Are Hilbert Spaces? 00:10:14 – Why Complex Numbers Matter in Quantum Mechanics 00:12:45 – Abstraction vs. Clarity in Physics 00:17:17 – The Particle Misconception in Quantum Theory 00:22:10 – What's Missing in Quantum Textbooks 00:25:28 – What Is a Measurement in Quantum Mechanics? 00:32:08 – The Problem of Self-Reference in Quantum Theory 00:35:31 – Understanding the Heisenberg Cut 00:39:37 – Decoherence Isn’t Collapse 00:49:47 – The Quantum Measurement Problem 00:52:46 – Competing Interpretations of Quantum Mechanics 01:00:00 – Toward a Real Quantum Reality 01:06:25 – The Moral Responsibility of Scientists 01:12:19 – Free Will and Physical Law 01:16:01 – Material Science and Quantum Resonance 01:20:01 – Aether, Electromagnetism, and Relativity 01:27:21 – Why Scientific Progress Is Messy 01:31:42 – The Limits of Scientific Explanation 01:33:20 – Plato, Ethics, and the Modern World 01:36:06 – Can Physics Define Good? 01:39:14 – Why Physics Can’t Capture the Human Spirit 01:45:04 – Building Community in Physics 01:48:22 – Trying Matters More Than Winning #quantumphysics, #philosophyofscience, #quantummechanics, #freewill, #complexnumbers, #decoherence, #metaphysics, #theoreticalphysics, #natureofreality, #philosophypodcast , #sciencepodcast, #longformpodcast ABOUS US: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities. PATREON: get episodes early + join our weekly Patron Chat https://bit.ly/3lcAasB MERCH: Rock some DemystifySci gear : https://demystifysci.myspreadshop.com/all AMAZON: Do your shopping through this link: https://amzn.to/3YyoT98 DONATE: https://bit.ly/3wkPqaD SUBSTACK: https://substack.com/@UCqV4_7i9h1_V7hY48eZZSLw@demystifysci BLOG: http://DemystifySci.com/blog RSS: https://anchor.fm/s/2be66934/podcast/rss MAILING LIST: https://bit.ly/3v3kz2S SOCIAL: - Discord: https://discord.gg/MJzKT8CQub - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/DemystifySci - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/DemystifySci/ - Twitter: https://twitter.com/DemystifySci MUSIC: -Shilo Delay: https://g.co/kgs/oty671