The world's second-most famous AI doomer Connor Leahy sits down with Beff Jezos, the founder of the e/acc movement debating technology, AI policy, and human values. Watch behind the scenes, get early access and join the private Discord by supporting us on Patreon. We have some amazing content going up there with Max Bennett and Kenneth Stanley this week! https://patreon.com/mlst (public discord) https://discord.gg/aNPkGUQtc5 https://twitter.com/MLStreetTalk As the two discuss technology, AI safety, civilization advancement, and the future of institutions, they clash on their opposing perspectives on how we steer humanity towards a more optimal path. Leahy, known for his critical perspectives on AI and technology, challenges Jezos on a variety of assertions related to the accelerationist movement, market dynamics, and the need for regulation in the face of rapid technological advancements. Jezos, on the other hand, provides insights into the e/acc movement's core philosophies, emphasizing growth, adaptability, and the dangers of over-legislation and centralized control in current institutions. Throughout the discussion, both speakers explore the concept of entropy, the role of competition in fostering innovation, and the balance needed to mediate order and chaos to ensure the prosperity and survival of civilization. They weigh up the risks and rewards of AI, the importance of maintaining a power equilibrium in society, and the significance of cultural and institutional dynamism. MORE CONTENT! Post-interview with Beff and Connor: https://www.patreon.com/posts/97905213 Pre-interview with Connor and his colleague Dan: https://www.patreon.com/posts/connor-leahy-and-97631416 This debate was mapped with the society library: https://www.societylibrary.org/connor-beff-debates Beff Jezos (Guillaume Verdon): https://twitter.com/BasedBeffJezos https://twitter.com/GillVerd Connor Leahy: https://twitter.com/npcollapse TOC: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:08:14 - Society library reference 00:08:44 - Debate starts 00:10:17 - Should any tech be banned? 00:25:48 - Leaded Gasoline 00:34:06 - False vacuum collapse method? 00:40:05 - What if there are dangerous aliens? 00:42:05 - Risk tolerances 00:44:35 - Optimizing for growth vs value 00:57:47 - Is vs ought 01:07:38 - AI discussion 01:12:47 - War / global competition 01:16:11 - Open source F16 designs 01:25:46 - Offense vs defense 01:33:58 - Morality / value 01:48:43 - What would Conor do 01:55:45 - Institutions/regulation 02:31:50 - Competition vs. Regulation Dilemma 02:37:59 - Existential Risks and Future Planning 02:46:55 - Conclusion and Reflection Pod version: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/machinelearningstreettalk/episodes/Showdown-Between-eacc-Leader-And-Doomer---Connor-Leahy--Beff-Jezos-e2far3q