Jon is joined by longtime pollster Sarah Longwell and former Republican strategist Tim Miller (both from @bulwarkmedia) to get inside the minds of two-time Trump voters who are no longer sure if they’ll vote for him again. What’s changed? Well, January 6th, a few criminal trials, and some obviously bogus claims that the election was stolen. But is that enough to get them over the line for Joe Biden? Jon, Tim, and Sarah listen to a focus group tape of these voters to figure out how they’re leaning in 2024 and then Ben Wikler, Chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party, joins to help teach you how to persuade the Biden-curious Trump voter in your life. CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 3:14 Tim Miller and Sarah Longwell 52:25 Ben Wikler on How to Persuade Republicans Take action with Vote Save America: Visit votesaveamerica.com/2024 Pre-order Democracy or Else: How to Save America in 10 Easy Steps at crooked.com/books or wherever books are sold. Out June 25th. Want Pod Save America ad-free? Subscribe to Friends of the Pod: http://crooked.com/friends See Pod Save America Live on the Democracy or Else Tour! Get tickets at https://bit.ly/43lz6YO Subscribe to our channel! https://www.youtube.com/crookedmedia?sub_confirmation=1 Crooked believes that we need a better conversation about politics, culture, and the world around us—one that doesn’t just focus on what’s broken, but what we can do to fix it. At a time when it’s increasingly easy to feel cynical or hopeless, former Obama staffers Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett, and Tommy Vietor have created a place where people can have sane conversations that inform, entertain, and inspire action. In 2017 they started Crooked with Pod Save America—a no-bullshit conversation about politics. Since then, we continue to add shows, voices, and opportunities for activism, because it’s up to all of us to do our part to build a better world. That’s it. End of mission. Learn more about Crooked at http://www.crooked.com Follow the pod on Twitter https://twitter.com/podsaveamerica Follow Crooked on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/CrookedMedia/ Follow Crooked on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/crookedmedia/