Steven Rinella talks with Backcountry Hunters and Anglers President and CEO Ryan Callaghan. Topics discussed: Cal’s life as a new dad and new CEO; the BHA mission; creating coalitions, community, and giving a shit; how our natural resources are not guaranteed; politicians claiming to carry TR’s torch; throwing the baby out with the bathwater in regards to regulation; approaching rollbacks and management changes with clarity; motivation behind scrapping the Roadless Rule; the pitfalls of absolutism; corner crossing; being engaged in the minutiae; and more. Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network: https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Steve on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella/?hl=en Check out the gear the MeatEater Crew uses in the field here: https://store.themeateater.com Follow us: Web: https://www.themeateater.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/meateater Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater Chapters: 00:05:05 — The Baby Still Doesn't Have a Name 00:09:05 — Cal Rynn Takes Over Backcountry Hunters & Anglers 00:14:06 — Inside BHA's Migration Corridor Fence Work 00:19:13 — 2,000 Volunteers and the Power of Sweat Equity on Public Land 00:24:06 — Making Conservation Accessible to Everyone 00:29:12 — Growing Up on Public Land Without Knowing It Was Special 00:35:14 — The History of Wildlife Abundance, Scarcity, and the Conservation Surge 00:40:48 — Every Politician Wants to Be TR — But He Was a Regulation Guy 00:47:20 — What DOGE Cuts Actually Look Like on the Ground 00:55:22 — Breaking Down the OHV Executive Order 01:02:05 — Rampant Cross-Country Travel and the Real-World Fallout 01:09:26 — The Roadless Rule Explained and What's at Stake Now 01:17:04 — Conservation Absolutism and Where It Goes Wrong 01:26:36 — The Wild Horse Problem and the Trap of No Compromise 01:32:53 — Corner Crossing: The Access Debate That's Never Been Decided 01:43:14 — What a Federal Corner Crossing Ruling Could Actually Look Like 01:51:43 — Teaching Hunters How to Behave Around Working Farms and Ranches 01:57:04 — Where Do Public Lands Go From Here? 02:04:13 — None of This Is Luck: Why Conservation Has to Be Fought For 02:09:58 — Outro: How to Support BHA and Stay in the Fight