Professor Mark Bishop does not think that computers can be conscious or have phenomenological states of consciousness unless we are willing to accept panpsychism which is idea that mentality is fundamental and ubiquitous in the natural world, or put simply, that your goldfish and everything else for that matter has a mind. Panpsychism postulates that distinctions between intelligences are largely arbitrary. Mark’s work in the ‘philosophy of AI’ led to an influential critique of computational approaches to Artificial Intelligence through a thorough examination of John Searle's 'Chinese Room Argument' Mark just published a paper called artificial intelligence is stupid and causal reasoning wont fix it. He makes it clear in this paper that in his opinion computers will never be able to compute everything, understand anything, or feel anything. 00:00:00 Tim Intro 00:15:04 Intro 00:18:49 Introduction to Marks ideas 00:25:49 Some problems are not computable 00:29:57 the dancing was Pixies fallacy 00:32:36 The observer relative problem, and its all in the mapping 00:43:03 Conscious Experience 00:53:30 Intelligence without representation, consciousness is something that we do 01:02:36 Consciousness helps us to act autonomously 01:05:13 The Chinese room argument 01:14:58 Simulation argument and computation doesn't have phenomenal consciousness 01:17:44 Language informs our colour perception 01:23:11 We have our own distinct ontologies 01:27:12 Kurt Gödel, Turing and Penrose and the implications of their work Pod version: https://anchor.fm/machinelearningstreettalk/episodes/043-Prof-J--Mark-Bishop---Artificial-Intelligence-Is-Stupid-and-Causal-Reasoning-wont-fix-it-eqkkrd Prof J. Mark Bishop Professor of Cognitive Computing (Emeritus), Goldsmiths, University of London and Scientific Adviser to FACT360. https://www.linkedin.com/in/profjmarkbishop/ https://fact360.co/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/fact360/ Artificial Intelligence is stupid and causal reasoning won't fix it - John Mark Bishop https://arxiv.org/abs/2008.07371 Mind in Life: Biology, Phenomenology, and the Sciences of Mind - Evan Thompson https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B072C5VP4P/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 Cognitive Wheels: The Frame Problem of AI - Daniel Dennett https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225070451_Cognitive_Wheels_The_Frame_Problem_of_AI Dancing with pixies: strong artificial intelligence and panpsychism - John Mark Bishop https://philpapers.org/rec/BISDWP-2 Views into the Chinese Room: New Essays on Searle and Artificial Intelligence - John Preston and Mark Bishop https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF03210002 Autopoiesis and Cognition - Maturana, H.R., Varela, F. J. https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789027710154 Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid https://www.amazon.co.uk/Godel-Escher-Bach-Eternal-anniversary/dp/0140289208 Shadows Of The Mind: A Search for the Missing Science of Consciousness - Roger Penrose https://www.amazon.co.uk/Shadows-Mind-Missing-Science-Consciousness/dp/0099582112 The Embodied Mind - Francisco J. Varela, Eleanor Rosch and Evan Thompson https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/embodied-mind Understanding Computers and Cognition: A New Foundation for Design - Terry Winograd, Fernando Flores https://www.amazon.co.uk/Understanding-Computers-Cognition-Foundation-Design/dp/0201112973 Representation and Reality - Hilary Putnam https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/representation-and-reality COMPUTING MACHINERY AND INTELLIGENCE (The Imitation Game) - Alan Turing https://academic.oup.com/mind/article/LIX/236/433/986238 Intelligence without representation - Rodney Brooks https://homeostasis.scs.carleton.ca/~soma/adapsec/readings/brooks1991-representation.pdf Does a Rock Implement Every Finite-State Automaton? - David J. Chalmers http://consc.net/papers/rock.html Clarification on the introduction -- Wittgenstein definitely DID NOT say that "the meaning of a COMPUTATION is in its use"; a well-known aphorism of his - from the Philosophical Investigations - in which he asserts, "The meaning of a word lies in its use". We used a couple of clips from numberphile on Godel (Thanks!) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mccoBBf0VDM We feel this falls under fair use i.e. MLST is non-commercial, educational and we add substantially to the discussion of Godel