Subscribe to Throwing Fits on Patreon. Our interview with Nick Williams and Phill Ayers is the rare four mic-er. Nick and Phil—co-founders of Small Talk Studio—cracked a couple of cold ones for a long-overdue chat on wearing your own shit, seven rounds of hoodie samples, the undeserved glazing small talk at menswear functions, living in and designing for New York, hats always sell and suits are picking up steam, fatigue from the graphic gauntlet, their hand drawn custom clothing vs. some popular senior cords you might be familiar with, how to go from roommates to business partners, two pushovers' guide to negotiating, the overlooked fashion talent coming out of NYC, god bless the Garment District, putting the actual work in, never quit your day job, the fallacy of quiet luxury, newsflash: eliminating fun and risk is bad, getting ripped off on Walmart Marketplace, launching a basics line, tales from a linked bank account, Chipotle money is great until the vouchers expire, and much more on Nick Williams and Phil Ayer's interview with The Only Podcast That Matters™.