In their new book, Abundance, journalists Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson argue that Trump's scarcity mindset is suffocating the country: America doesn’t do enough manufacturing? Better cut back on trade. Not enough jobs or housing? Get rid of immigrants. Klein and Thompson sit down with Jon to explain how faster (and better) infrastructure projects can re-engage Democrats’ base, why tolerating government failure has made liberals look bad, and whether the accusations of neoliberalism that have been levied at the book are a fair criticism of the "abundance agenda." CHECK OUT THESE GREAT DEALS FROM OUR SPONSORS! QUINCE - http://quince.com/crooked BILT - http://joinbilt.com/crooked ZBIOTICS - http://zbiotics.com/crooked code: CROOKED CHAPTERS 0:00 - Intro 1:21 - The "Abundance" Discourse 6:44 - Creating a Government that Works for People 11:38 - On Donald Trump 16:33 - Ads 18:45 - The Affordability Issue 25:33 - An Honest Criticism of the Left 42:10 - Ads 43:41 - Why Democrats are Losing 54:42 - Who are the "Abundance-pilled" Democrats? Want Pod Save America ad-free? Subscribe to Friends of the Pod: http://crooked.com/friends Subscribe to our channel! https://www.youtube.com/crookedmedia?sub_confirmation=1 Photos courtesy of AP Photo Archive Crooked believes that we need a better conversation about politics, culture, and the world around us—one that doesn’t just focus on what’s broken, but what we can do to fix it. At a time when it’s increasingly easy to feel cynical or hopeless, former Obama staffers Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett, and Tommy Vietor have created a place where people can have sane conversations that inform, entertain, and inspire action. In 2017 they started Crooked with Pod Save America—a no-bullshit conversation about politics. Since then, we continue to add shows, voices, and opportunities for activism, because it’s up to all of us to do our part to build a better world. That’s it. End of mission. Learn more about Crooked at http://www.crooked.com Follow the pod on Twitter https://twitter.com/podsaveamerica Follow Crooked on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/CrookedMedia/ Follow Crooked on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/crookedmedia/