Steven Rinella talks with Caleb Hubbard of the Hubbard Urban Entymology Lab at New Mexico State University and "Bubbly" Doug Duren. Topics discussed: Stay tuned for twice a week MeatEater Podcast drops starting in March; come to the Safari Club International 2026 Convention on Feb. 19th to see Steve and Morgan Potter; a correction on Colorado wolf recovery; sous vide rewarming for frostbite; the ins and outs of the New World screw worm; how all warm blooded critters are potential hosts; being eaten alive; Doug's Sharing the Land organization; and more.  The New World Screwworm Threat Survey:  https://acesnmsu.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eLjo05717Wzz1em The New World Screwworm is a serious pest threat to livestock and wildlife, and New Mexico is taking steps to stay proactive—not reactive. The survey gathers input from ranchers, producers, hunters, land stewards, and community members across New Mexico. We’re studying what people know, believe, and need regarding screwworm prevention and response.  Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network: https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Steve on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella/?hl=en Check out the gear the MeatEater Crew uses in the field here: https://store.themeateater.com Follow us: Web: https://www.themeateater.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/meateater Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 05:05 - Slap Bracelet Taxidermy Tangent (Virginia City Re-enactors) 10:15 - How Screwworm Spreads and Feeds on Living Flesh 16:45 - Sterile Insect Technique: The Eradication Method 23:30 - Why Screwworm Keeps Coming Back 29:00 - Maggot Biology: Medical vs Parasitic Flies 35:31 - How Medical Maggot Therapy Actually Works 42:00 - The Nasal Ranger and Smell Detection Technology 48:15 - Screwworm Entry Points: Wounds, Antlers, and Orifices 53:59 - Graphic Case Photos: Brain Exposure in Deer 59:32 - Fly Diversity and Meat Bees Explained 01:05:45 - Border Closures and Economic Impact 01:10:26 - Dropping 180 Million Sterile Flies from Airplanes 01:17:14 - Why Sterile Releases Aren't Stopping It in Mexico 01:24:00 - The Infrastructure Problem: One Facility for Entire Hemisphere 01:30:53 - Mexico Border Closed to All Cattle Imports 01:37:11 - Wildlife as Hidden Reservoir: The Deer Herd Problem 01:42:00 - Wild Hogs: The Next Vector for Spread 01:47:27 - New Mexico's Eastern Border Threat from Texas 01:51:58 - Where to Learn More and How to Help 01:58:22 - Final Takeaways: Share Info and Contact Elected Officials