Kurt Sutter, creator of “Sons of Anarchy,” and Golden Globe-winning actress Katey Sagal share their 20+ year journey through sobriety, success, and marriage. Their candid insights on fame’s spiritual cost reflect the same depth they bring to “PIE,” their new podcast exploring what shapes extraordinary lives. READ MORE👉🏾http://bit.ly/richroll902 ✌🏼🌱 - Rich This Episode Is Brought To You By… OneSkin: Get 15% off using code RICHROLL👉https://bit.ly/oneskinrrp Momentous: 20% OFF all of my favorite products👉 https://bit.ly/LiveMomentous2025 Pique: Get up to 20% OFF plus a FREE rechargeable frother and glass beaker with your first purchase👉https://bit.ly/piquerrp Bragg: Get 20% OFF your first order with code RICHROLL👉https://bit.ly/braggXrrp2025 Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/rrpsponsors LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST Apple Podcasts: http://bit.ly/rrpitunes Spotify: http://bit.ly/rrpspotify Google: http://bit.ly/rrpgooglepods Meal Planner: http://meals.richroll.com Voicing Change Book: http://richroll.com/vc Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/RichRollPodcastClips Newsletter: http://bit.ly/rollcallemail CHAPTERS 00:00:00 Intro 00:05:33 Emotional Growth and Support 00:06:00 Friendship Challenges 00:07:39 Recovery Community Insights 00:08:48 Vulnerability in Communication 00:09:38 Shifts in the Media Landscape 00:10:39 Kurt's Family Background 00:11:45 Future of Revenue Models 00:12:32 Impact of Parents' Deaths 00:13:46 The Resilience of Entertainment 00:14:36 Musical Background 00:16:34 The Importance of Artistic Voice 00:17:22 Raising Musical Children 00:18:27 The Nature of Creative Work 00:20:07 Entering Recovery 00:21:18 Living with Uncertainty 00:22:03 Kurt's Sobriety Journey 00:23:29 Advice for Aspiring Artists 00:24:32 The Reality of Plan B 00:25:01 The Gift of Being an Artist 00:29:35 AD BREAK 00:32:02 Community as a Remedy 00:34:25 The Joy of Sober Moments 00:35:16 Continuing to Attend Meetings 00:37:43 Shifting Focus from Self 00:38:34 Meeting in Al-Anon 00:41:21 First Date with a Sponsor 00:42:14 Intimacy in Early Conversations 00:43:24 Kurt's Journey to Writing 00:44:30 Self-Worth and Identity 00:45:27 Navigating Relationships 00:47:13 Collaboration Challenges 00:48:19 Finding Boundaries 00:51:46 Accountability in Marriage 00:52:53 Conflict Resolution Tools 00:55:24 Spiritual Growth through Challenges 00:57:38 Remarrying Each Other 01:00:19 Facing Self-Obsessions 01:01:46 Moments of Realization 01:03:17 Kurt's Season Three Pickup Experience 01:04:12 Impact of Personal Struggles 01:05:59 Kurt's Decision to Stay 01:07:29 Lessons from Relationship Challenges 01:08:11 Self-Love and Relationship Growth 01:09:54 The Importance of Seeking Truth 01:11:52 AD BREAK 01:13:01 Engaging Relationships as Learning Experiences 01:14:55 Crisis and Personal Struggles 01:15:56 Cultural Expectations on Men 01:18:09 The Illusion of Material Success 01:20:01 Finding Meaning Beyond Achievement 01:23:36 Parenting and Success Dilemmas 01:24:38 The Journey of Achieving Meaning 01:25:30 Money as Freedom 01:26:08 Kurt's Past Relationships and Growth 01:27:51 Creative Differences and Departure 01:36:53 Emotional Growth and Support 01:39:23 The Nature of Artistic Integrity 01:41:06 Shifts in the Media Landscape 01:43:13 Future of Revenue Models 01:45:07 The Resilience of Entertainment 01:46:35 The Evolution of Documentary Filmmaking 01:47:53 The Importance of Artistic Voice 01:48:44 Navigating Fear and Uncertainty 01:49:46 The Nature of Creative Work 01:51:04 The Role of Auditions 01:52:00 The Non-Linear Path of Creativity 01:52:39 Living with Uncertainty 01:53:21 Trusting the Process 01:54:57 Advice for Aspiring Artists 01:58:22 Parental Support in the Arts 01:58:47 Commitment to Growth 01:59:40 Podcast Overview CONNECT WITH RICH ✩ Website - http://richroll.com​ ✩ Rich Roll Podcast - https://richroll.com/all-episodes/ ✩ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/richroll/ ✩ Twitter - https://twitter.com/richroll ✩ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/richrollfans ✩ Strava - https://www.strava.com/athletes/14443?oq=rich ✩ Memoir: Finding Ultra - https://www.richroll.com/shop/books/finding-ultra/ ✩ Meals - http://meals.richroll.com​ ✩ Cook - The Plantpower Way - https://www.richroll.com/shop/books/the-plantpower-way-signed/ ✩ Italian! - The Plantpower Way: Italia - https://www.richroll.com/shop/books/the-plantpower-way-italia-signed/ ✩ Support - https://www.patreon.com/richroll FILMED AND EDITED BY DAN DRAKE https://www.dandrake333.com/ * * * * * NEW TO RICH? Hi I'm Rich Roll. I'm a vegan ultra-endurance athlete, author, podcaster, public speaker & wellness evangelist. But mainly I'm a dad of four. If you want to know more, visit my website or check out these two the NY Times articles: http://bit.ly/otillonyt http://bit.ly/vegansglam I LOVE MAIL! SEND IT HERE: 2630 Conejo Spectrum St. Thousand Oaks, CA 91320 #richroll #richrollpodcast