There’s a lot to unpack with AI right now — everything from its potential impacts on the labor market and society to more extreme questions about existential risk. Anthropic, which builds frontier models like Mythos, Fable, and Claude, is actively grappling with these issues, including whether governments should limit AI development. Just last week, the Trump administration forced Anthropic to block foreign access to its two leading models. In this episode, we speak with Jack Clark (co-founder and head of public benefit) and Peter McCrory (head of economics) about how Anthropic approaches safety and economic risks. We talk about Anthropic’s preparations for recursive self-improvement, the engineers it's hiring now, and why Jack left Bloomberg to enter the early AI industry. Chapters: 00:00:00 - Cold Open 00:02:38 - Introduction: Anthropic AI 00:05:16 - Jack Clark's Early AI Insights and Career Transition 00:07:08 - Anthropic's Economics Research Mission 00:08:25 - Current Economic Impact of AI 00:11:23 - Recursive Self-Improvement and Living Through the Singularity 00:13:19 - Labor Market Implications and the Bitter Lesson 00:16:07 - Creativity, Expertise, and AI Collaboration 00:22:38 - Political Dynamics and Truth-Telling Philosophy 00:24:11 - Regulatory Framework Discussion 00:26:08 - Measuring AI's Economic Impact 00:30:04 - Using Economic Research for Product Development 00:32:42 - Public Benefit Mission and Information Sharing 00:37:22 - Hiring Practices in the AI Era 00:40:28 - Advanced AI Usage in Economics 00:44:31 - Corporate Adoption and Market Structure 00:48:11 - Existential Risk and Safety Measures 00:50:46 - Employee Perspectives on AI Risk 00:52:48 - Anthropomorphizing AI Models 00:54:13 - Frontier Model Challenges and Strategy 01:00:41 - Future Availability and Capabilities 01:05:06 - Final Thoughts Watch Bloomberg Vodcasts: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe4PRejZgr0MS0Tqk_zQl1LVVTdWuH2Di Watch more Odd Lots episodes: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe4PRejZgr0OJbRzA6nWybYiThLJd_ouz Bloomberg's Joe Weisenthal and Tracy Alloway analyze the weird patterns, the complex issues and the newest market crazes. Join the conversation every Monday and Thursday for interviews with the most interesting minds in finance, economics and markets. Join the conversation: discord.gg/oddlots Subscribe to Bloomberg Podcasts: https://bit.ly/BloombergPodcasts Check out more Odd Lots: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe4PRejZgr0MuA6M0zkZyy-99-qc87wKV Get the Odd Lots newsletter: https://www.bloomberg.com/account/newsletters/oddlots And for all things Odd Lots, visit https://www.bloomberg.com/oddlots #Investing #Markets #Finance #Bloomberg #Podcast #OddLots Visit us: https://www.bloomberg.com/podcasts For coverage on news, markets and more: http://www.bloomberg.com/video Visit our other YouTube channels: Bloomberg Television: https://www.youtube.com/@markets Bloomberg Originals: https://www.youtube.com/bloomberg