Jürgen Schmidhuber is an AI pioneer and professor whom The Guardian has called "the father of AI." Schmidhuber joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss whether current AI techniques can actually reach AGI. Tune in to hear him spar with Greg Brockman's case for scaling GPT models alone, argue that AI has been capable of pain and consciousness since the early 1990s, and predict the collapse of today's trillion-dollar AI spending. We also cover the hardware bottleneck holding back robots, free will in a computable universe, and uploading human minds into machines. Hit play for a wide-ranging conversation with one of the researchers whose ideas built the foundation of modern AI. Watch the full documentary here: https://www.gravitee.io/ai-agent-documentary Chapters 00:00 The Future of AI: Potential and Progress 05:56 The Role of Hardware in AI Development 11:10 AGI: Current Techniques vs. Future Innovations 19:31 The Little Guy: Who Benefits from AI? 32:01 AI and Emotions: Can Machines Feel Pain? 35:49 The Future of Emotion in AI 39:24 Understanding Pain and Fear in Machines 42:36 Consciousness and AI: A Complex Relationship 52:20 The Evolution of Human Identity in the Age of AI 54:34 The Concept of Free Will in a Deterministic Universe