Elon Musk praised Dr. Gad Saad's latest book, saying "Western civilization is doomed, unless the core weakness of suicidal empathy is recognized and actions are taken that are hard but necessary for survival." Saad, who also authored "The Parasitic Mind," argues that an elite culture has miscalibrated its moral priorities — elevating victimhood, excusing criminals, and branding self-defense as toxic. He breaks down why intelligent, self-aware people double down on destructive ideas, how the "empathy module" gets hijacked, and why he believes civilization is in rapid decline unless the pattern is reversed. Then, retired Canadian Armed Forces Master Warrant Officer Jeff Evely — a 20-year veteran who deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq — joins to discuss his deliberate stand against government overreach after being hit with a fine of more than $28,000 for (intentionally) walking on banned land, a case he intends to challenge in court. Evely also weighs in on the fight over pediatric gender medicine and the politics now driving healthcare decisions for children. LINKS & SOURCES: https://drdrew.com/6172026 @GadSaad Ph.D. is a scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi. He is the author of "Suicidal Empathy: Dying to be Kind," as well as "The Parasitic Mind" and "The Saad Truth About Happiness." Follow at https://x.com/gadsaad Master Warrant Officer (Ret'd) Jeff Evely is a retired veteran of the Canadian Armed Forces, born and raised in Coxheath, Nova Scotia. He enlisted in 2001 as an electronic communications specialist and served for 20 years, deploying to Afghanistan (2009) and Iraq (2019), and serving with NORAD (2010–2014). In 2025, he ran as a federal candidate for the People's Party of Canada. Follow at https://x.com/JeffEvely SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS: Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Be prepared for the next crisis with a Medical Emergency Kit. Learn more at https://twc.health/drew Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on medical issues. This show is for entertainment or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your physician before making health decisions. 0:00 - Coming up: Dr. Gad Saad 1:55 - Gad Saad: Suicidal Empathy & Ole Miss 6:33 - The Parasitic Mind vs. Suicidal Empathy 16:46 - What Is Suicidal Empathy? The Science 25:15 - Homelessness as Homicidal Empathy 35:33 - Why Universities Spread Parasitic Ideas 45:35 - Jeff Evely: Fined $28K for Walking in Woods 57:41 - Evely's Daughter and Confronting the Gender Clinic 1:02:46 - Breaking News: FTC Sues WPATH ABOUT THE SHOW Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - https://kalebnation.com • Susan Pinsky - https://x.com/firstladyoflove Content Producer & Booking • Emily Barsh - https://x.com/emilytvproducer Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - https://x.com/drdrew Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio shows, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show with Adam Carolla. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about