John is interviewed alongside contributors Rahman, Theo and Sandi. What is silence? The real things in life, the non-conceptual human created things, the things that endure cannot be described like silence, space, freedom, and spirit. Yet undoubtedly the presence of God is with us. We can never be closer to God than here and now. We only need to realise this. Thanks to Rahman, Theo and Sandi. You can view their YouTube channel here - https://www.youtube.com/@UCeU4p7FttAGw1o_JCHgmGag. Producer: Phil Shankland, InSight New Media Productions Ltd https://insightnewmedia.co.uk Location: Bakewell, UK. Copyright: Spiritual Unfoldment Trust 2025 Title design: Wendy Mayes Design https://www.wendymayes.co.uk 5 Topics from the Interview: Meditation and Mindfulness: John Butler discusses his lifelong practice of meditation, learned outside any traditional religious context, and its significance in focusing attention away from oneself and towards the wider world. Concept of Suffering: John reflects on suffering and pain as inherent parts of human experience, suggesting that they are essential for learning and growth. Perception of Life and Death: The dialogue includes John’s musings on the human condition, mortality, and what remains after physical death, influenced by his personal near-death experiences. Spirituality Without Dogma: He emphasizes spirituality that is connected to nature and personal experience rather than bound by dogmatic beliefs, highlighting the role of personal experience in understanding spiritual concepts. Practical Advice on Living: Throughout the interview, John offers practical advice on dealing with life's challenges through mindfulness, being present, and maintaining a connection with the natural world. 5 Keywords: Meditation Suffering Spirituality Mindfulness Nature 5 YouTube Chapter Headings with Time Stamps: (00:06) Meditation and Personal Journey: John Butler introduces his approach to meditation and how it has shaped his life. (02:45) Understanding Knowledge through Meditation: Butler differentiates between conceptual and direct knowledge gained from meditation. (06:34) Dealing with Suffering and Pain: Discussion on the natural part of suffering in life and learning from it. (17:04) Connection to Nature and Spirituality: Butler talks about the profound spiritual connection to nature and its importance. (44:01) The Concept of Sin and Moral Living: He explores the concept of sin, personal responsibility, and living morally in a complex world. John's Butler's first audiobook 'Mystic Approaches' is now available on Audible - https://www.audible.co.uk/pd/Mystic-Approaches-Audiobook/B0DQ64PF5P John's latest book 'Mystic Love' is now available here - https://spiritualunfoldment.co.uk/store/Mystic-Love-%E2%80%93-letters-to-Christine-p674982505 You can watch 80+ ad-free videos with John in the "Feet on the Ground' supporters section. Join here - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi0TFuqj6eND-mJRf8i2Tnw/join. Those wanting more detailed accounts of John's life experience - the formative influences, which have taught and made him what he is, will find it in his 8 published books, available through the website: https://spiritualunfoldment.co.uk/store/. Did you know you can now listen to John on Spotify and other audio platforms? Here is his most popular recording 'Common sense guide to meditation' (1m views) - https://ffm.to/commonsenseguidetomeditation. John's 'Common Sense Guide to Meditation' series is now available on the Insight Timer app - https://insighttimer.com/JohnButler. FREE 86pp PDF 'Introducing Spiritual Unfoldment' With tempting extracts describing his life-long spiritual journey - in the hope they will encourage readers to go further, buy his books and read the whole story for themselves, we invite you to join John Butler's email community and receive a free 86-page PDF 'Introducing Spiritual Unfoldment'. Go to http://spiritualunfoldment.co.uk and scroll to the bottom of any page. Those who wish to support the Work of the Spiritual Unfoldment Trust can donate here - https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=BBAWMHB4JQMKY Find out more about the the Spiritual Unfoldment Trust: https://spiritualunfoldment.co.uk/charitable-trust/ Disclaimer: https://spiritualunfoldment.co.uk/disclaimer/