Join us for a discussion with Sandra Tanner and Dan Vogel as we explore a remarkable video featuring BYU Professor and leading Mormon historian Steven C. Harper. In this video, Harper addresses key issues with the First Vision narrative and acknowledges several challenges raised by the CES Letter. The original interview can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXHntOmMJRg&t=26s Show Notes: https://www.mormonstories.org/mormon-historian-admits-first-vision-problems/ 00:00:00 Intro 00:07:40 Wesley Walters 00:13:45 Clip - Fawn Brodie 00:26:09 Clip - Steven Harper on Joseph changing his story 00:27:37 Summary of the 1838 Account of the First Vision 00:39:42 Hermeneutics of doubt and trust 00:42:55 Clip - Bushman taking a charitable approach 00:50:02 Clip - publishing through Oxford 00:56:12 Clip - Memory studies nature of memory 01:00:38 John calling BS on Joseph Smith’s vision 01:19:15 Joseph SMith believed that God and Jesus were one being in 1832 01:30:50 The problem with Mormon apologetics with the First Vision 01:37:50 Clip - Critics not trusting Joseph Smith 01:45:32 Clip - How can you know without the Spirit? 01:55:45 Faith is a matter of choice? 02:01:19 Clip - BYU responding to Wes Walters 02:18:12 Clip - How many accounts of the First Vision? 02:36:20 Who visited him changes from 1832 to 1838 02:38:55 Clip - There will always be doubt 02:54:00 Clip - I might not have seen what Joseph saw 02:56:55 Distinguishing features of modern Mormonism 03:03:46 Mental gymnastics 03:13:50 Clip - Who does Joseph tell? 03:19:00 Joseph Smith’s name on the Methodist Sunday School 03:24:55 Clip - Ask Joseph Smith 03:34:25 Final thoughts ___________________ At Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals. Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology 2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis 3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions Want to create live streams like this? Check out StreamYard: https://streamyard.com/pal/d/4530951114981376 🤝Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today One-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?default_interval=m Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/mormonstories Paypal: https://paypal.me/mormonstories Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx6OgmoqJbOVRq-Lv1P7SzA/join Our Platforms: 🌐Mormon Stories Blog: https://www.mormonstories.org/episodes 🎙️Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories ✳️Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4sDzk7dRjODTSEqzZKZJzk?si=148b0efc1ccc4404&nd=1 🍎Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormon-stories-lds/id312094772 🖼️Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories 📱TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstoriespodcast 🎮Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF Contact us: 📧 MormonStories@gmail.com 📬PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 #MormonStories #Mormon #lds