Freddie Sayers speaks to Bernard-Henri Lévy. Listen to the podcast version: https://play.acast.com/s/674ac424-41ef-5137-a10d-021735ef539f/61604cb1fc6e0b001295d812 Few have made the case for liberal interventionism more consistently than Bernard-Henri Lévy. Despite setbacks in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, the French public intellectual’s worldview has remained largely unchanged. But with the Taliban now in control of Afghanistan — and signs of resistance dwindling — is he still convinced the West was right to be there at all? He joined Freddie Sayers in our London studio to discuss his new book, The Will to See. // Timecodes // 00:00 - 01:13 - Introduction 01:13 - 02:04 - What does Bernard-Henri Lévy believe? 02:04 - 05:08 - Bernard-Henri Lévy’s new book, The Will to See 05:08 - 10:43 - What should liberal Western liberal democrats do when confronted with overseas illiberalism? 10:43 - 15:47 - “I’m not a troop maniac.” BHL on the plight of Nigerian Christians 15:47 - 17:49 - Must liberalism be universal and exported abroad or should it be reinforced at home? 17:49 - 20:24 - What if democratic majorities at home oppose liberal interventions abroad? 20:24 - 22:52 - Don’t recent populist revolts make BHL re-examine his worldview? 22:52 - 25:57 - BHL on confronting China 25:57 - 28:09 - Is Bernard-Henri Lévy disappointed in Joe Biden’s presidency? 28:09 - 30:52 - If voters support Biden’s Afghanistan withdrawal, doesn’t that prove BHL wrong? 30:52 - 32:26 - Wokeness, cancel culture and Left illiberalism must be resisted 32:26 - 34:52 - BHL on Covid authoritarianism 34:52 - 37:00 - What does Bernard-Henri Lévy think of Covid protestors? 37:00 - 41:53 - BHL on Éric Zemmour, Marine Le Pen, Brexit and Boris Johnson 41:53 - 42:37 - End #BernardHenriLévy #Biden #ÉricZemmour