The Massachusetts leader, whose influence goes well beyond her state, discusses how the Democratic Party can pick its battles and rebuild its brand. 00:00 - Introduction 02:06 - The National Governors Association winter meetings 08:00 - How should Democrats maneuver in the second Trump administration 13:15 - Fighting against Trump 15:45 - Why did Democrats lose the 2024 election? 18:52 - Biden as communicator-in-chief 21:18 - Immigration 27:41 - Tom Homan calls out Boston 31:14 - D.E.I. backlash 38:51 - Trans rights in the 2024 election 40:00 - Concerns of a Trump third term Subscribe to NYT Audio: https://bit.ly/3Qz3GZu Download the NYT App: https://bit.ly/4gZdoip Watch more @NYTPodcasts