Zeb Evans is the founder and CEO of ClickUp. He joins our show to share his vision for business software in the age of AI. In this conversation, Evans makes the case that business applications will not all centralize in chatbots, but that there will be consolidation in a single interface built with 'primitives' like spreadsheets and docs. Evans also explains how “personalized software” will let teams vibe-code their own dashboards and inboxes in plain English, why unified data models beat brittle API stitching, and what the coming “data wars” mean as vendors lock down context. Read Evans' Fortune op-ed here: https://fortune.com/2025/09/26/founder-4-billion-software-unicorn-data-wars-salesforce-slack-enterprise-ai/ This video is brought to you in partnership with ClickUp. To learn more, write bigtechnologypodcast@gmail.com Chapters 00:00 The Future of Business Software and AI 07:03 Personalized Software Experiences 13:27 Convergence of Software Solutions 20:25 Data Wars and the Future of AI 30:03 Calculating ROI on Enterprise AI