Today on the flagship podcast of third-party operating systems: The Verge's David Pierce chats with Laine Nooney, author of The Apple II Age: How The Computer Became Personal. Later, lead video producer Will Poor chats with David about The Verge's new documentary Lisa’s Final Act: How Apple invented its future by burying its past. https://youtu.be/rZjbNWgsDt8 To end the show, a hotline question: How to transfer playlists from Spotify to Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, or Tidal https://www.theverge.com/22916495/playlist-transfer-spotify-youtube-music-amazon-apple-music The Vergecast Podcast: https://pod.link/430333725 Decoder with Nilay Patel: http://apple.co/3v29nDc More about our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts Shop The Verge's merch here: https://shop.theverge.com/ Like The Verge on Facebook: https://goo.gl/2P1aGc Follow on Twitter: https://goo.gl/XTWX61 Follow on Instagram: https://goo.gl/7ZeLvX Read More: http://www.theverge.com Community guidelines: http://bit.ly/2D0hlAv Wallpapers from The Verge: https://bit.ly/2xQXYJr Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/XTWX61 Follow on Instagram: http://goo.gl/7ZeLvX Listen to our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts Read More: http://www.theverge.com