How should New Zealand navigate their complex web of alliances as the relationship between China and the US deteriorates? Jacinda Ardern was considered a beacon of hope when she came to office in 2017, how did she navigate this pressure? To what extent is politics about personal gratification and the pursuit of power? Sign up to Revolut Business today via: https://get.revolut.com/z4lF/leading, and add money to your account to get a £200 welcome bonus. This offer’s only available until 7th July 2025 and other T&Cs apply. 00:00 - Introduction and early leadership reflections 02:18 - How to navigate burnout in public life 04:53 - Experiences of harassment as a female leader 07:36 - Finding calm during crisis 11:15 - Deciding not to run again 15:02 - Legacy and regrets from time as Prime Minister 19:08 - The Christchurch attack and her response 22:36 - Leadership during COVID-19 27:11 - Criticism and misinformation during the pandemic 30:49 - The role of social media in political discourse 34:37 - Working with Prince William on online safety 38:03 - How politics is changing across democracies 41:28 - Is it harder for women in politics? 45:19 - What her daughter has taught her 48:01 - Life after politics and the future 50:55 - Final thoughts and advice for young leaders 1:01:59 Debrief