Now that we've had a few days to digest the Apple CEO succession news, Nilay and David get some help from Daring Fireball's John Gruber to discuss Tim Cook's legacy, the potential for change under John Ternus, and whether the Touch Bar actually could have been great. Then, Nilay and David react to some breaking news: Microsoft is going back to the Xbox. And everything is an Xbox now. Finally, in the lightning round, we have a round of Brendan Carr is a Dummy, a very 2026 new microphone, a BMW we can't figure out, and Meta's new AI training tool: its employees. Watch our emergency live episode here: https://youtube.com/live/7iYXTPDKDTk 0:00 Tim Cook Steps Down 00:54 Why The Timing Shocked 03:24 Health Rumors And Chair Role 06:34 Politics Supply Chain Reality 11:07 Cook Legacy Product Debate 15:16 Is There Life After iPhone 19:30 Car Health Vision Pro Bets 22:49 Siri And The AI Miss 28:23 Cook Era Product Roll Call 30:28 Touch Bar Postmortem 33:37 Touch Bar Fallout 34:46 Butterfly Keyboard Fiasco 35:20 Cook vs Jobs Urgency 37:38 iPad Future Misread 38:48 John Tern Rises 41:51 Hardware vs Software Design 45:38 Upcoming Apple Forks 48:53 Microsoft Gaming Rebrand 50:27 Xbox Strategy Reality Check 56:50 Daily Active Players Metric 01:00:48 Game Pass Price Shift 01:03:13 Lightning Round Returns 01:04:55 Brendan Carr is a Dummy 01:06:55 FCC Targets LGBTQ Content 01:07:42 Streaming Regulation Creep 01:10:14 Mythos Model Controversy 01:13:20 Cybersecurity Reality Check 01:18:38 BMW Screen Overload 01:23:57 Creator Mic With Branding 01:26:49 Meta Tracks Employee Work 01:32:34 Wrap Up And Thanks Subscribe: http://goo.gl/G5RXGs Like The Verge on Facebook: https://goo.gl/2P1aGc Follow on Twitter: https://goo.gl/XTWX61 Follow on Instagram: https://goo.gl/7ZeLv Watch The Vergecast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/40RFRkg The Vergecast Podcast: https://bit.ly/3WQDexZ Decoder with Nilay Patel: http://apple.co/3v29nDc More about our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts Read More: http://www.theverge.com Community guidelines: http://bit.ly/2D0hlAv Wallpapers from The Verge: https://bit.ly/2xQXYJr Shop our Verge merch store here: https://bit.ly/4kPCmEc Subscribe to The Verge: https://bit.ly/3FT6n5S Subscribe to The Vergecast on YouTube, new episodes on Tuesday and Friday: https://bit.ly/3I6nJtz If you buy something from a Verge link, Vox Media may receive a commission without exerting any influence on editorial content. For more information about our ethics policy, visit: https://bit.ly/3ZWTlLs