📰 Subscribe to UnHerd today at: https://bit.ly/3Qdkd5y Freddie Sayers debates the killing of Renee Good by ICE agent Jonathan Ross in Minneapolis with civil liberties attorney Jenin Younes and UnHerd’s US editor Sohrab Ahmari, examining the incident through the lens of the "Rashomon effect" where observers draw diametrically opposite conclusions from the same evidence. Was the shooting a catastrophic violation of civil liberties and potentially an illegal execution, or does the responsibility lie with Good for obstructing a lawful federal operation and “weaponising" her vehicle, a view echoed by the Trump administration's branding of the event as an act of domestic terrorism. The discussion concludes with YouGov’s David Montgomery, who reveals how the broader American public view the use of force, and what significant long-term political risks the incident may yield for the Republican project. Watch it on the UnHerd website: https://unherd.com/watch-listen/the-ice-debate/ Listen to the podcast: https://plnk.to/unherd?to=page Advertise on UnHerd @ zoe.white@unherd.com Follow UnHerd on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/unherd Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unherd/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unherd/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@unherdtv //TIMECODES// 00:00 - 00:21 – Intro 00:21 - 02:34 – The Rashomon effect & introducing Jenin Younes, Sohrab Ahmari and David Montgomery 02:34 - 03:50 – What is ICE allowed to do? 03:50 - 05:38 – Renee’s stop & Legal framework 05:38 - 10:38 – Was the shooting justified? 10:38 - 15:27 – “Domestic terrorist”, civil liberties, and administration’s response 15:27 - 20:59 – Weaponised justice & ICE as a ‘presidential guard’ 20:59 - 29:05 – Sohrab’s defense of the officer 29:05 - 38:34 – Responsibility & “don’t block ICE” 38:34 - 44:28 – Tough rhetoric & politics 44:28 - 48:48 – David Montgomery: polls on charges & force 48:48 - 53:32 – Public mood & political impact 53:32 - 54:09 – Outro #UnHerd #ICE #ReneeGood