Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and entrepreneur Michael Saylor discuss how money, morality, and civilization break down. Saylor argues that fiat currency is not just flawed—it’s actively corrosive. He presents Bitcoin as the antidote: a form of pure digital energy, resistant to decay, inflation, and political manipulation. Through thermodynamics, theology, and history, Saylor paints a stark picture of civilizational entropy and proposes Bitcoin as the only incorruptible foundation on which a sustainable future can be built. If we don’t fix the money, he warns, everything else falls. This episode was filmed on May 30th, 2025. Unlock the ad-free experience of The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast and dive into exclusive bonus content on DailyWire+. Start watching now: http://dwpluspeterson.com/yt ALL LINKS: https://feedlink.io/jordanbpeterson | Sponsors | Parenting: Bullying and Peer Pressure - When teens spiral, it’s often silent at first. Dr. Peterson speaks with parents whose children faced bullying and peer manipulation—then offers practical tools to rebuild trust, reestablish communication, and help kids choose better friendships. Available now, exclusively on DailyWire+ https://www.dailywire.com/show/parenting Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per month trial period at http://shopify.com/jbp Marek Health: Get a 10% discount on the Optimization Package (use code PETERSON): https://marekhealth.com/peterson | Links | For Michael Saylor: On X https://x.com/saylor Website https://www.michael.com/ Read “What is Money” https://a.co/d/c1t4izi | Chapters | (0:00) Coming up (0:49) Intro (2:46) What Saylor discovered about Bitcoin and natural monopolies (14:40) Simulating humanity (21:01) Why names are so powerful—know the demon you’re summoning (35:36) When a business mogul hits a plateau (45:20) The new paradigm is only accepted through war (56:36) Where the elites store their money—and what money really is (1:04:12) If God designed a perfect currency (1:07:35) How the government calculates inflation—and how to do it correctly (1:12:48) Quantum computing and the security of Bitcoin (1:18:43) Natural law has led the technological leaps of mankind // LINKS // Peterson Academy https://petersonacademy.com ARC https://www.arcforum.com Books - https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/books/ #JordanPeterson #JordanBPeterson #DrJordanPeterson #DrJordanBPeterson #dailywireplus Ep. 0554