📰 Subscribe to UnHerd today at: https://bit.ly/3Qdkd5y UnHerd's Freddie Sayers sits down with Michael Shellenberger and Jacob Siegel to discuss the censorship industrial complex. Watch it on the UnHerd website: https://unherd.com/watch-listen/how-to-destroy-the-censorship-complex/ Listen to the podcast: https://plnk.to/unherd?to=page What's next for the censorship industrial complex? UnHerd's Freddie Sayers, Tablet's Jacob Siegel and Public's Michael Shellenberger sat down at Dissident Dialogues festival in New York City to discuss the growing disinformation industry and how to combat it. Follow UnHerd on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/unherd Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unherd/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unherd/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@unherdtv // TIMECODES // 00:00 - 00:54 - Introduction 00:54 - 05:30 - Understanding the disinformation movement 05:30 - 11:00 - Increasing public awareness of censorship 11:00 - 15:38 - The power behind the disinformation movement 15:38 - 20:00 - Should there be any disinformation monitors? 20:00 - 23:45 - Maintaining the firewall between domestic vs foreign counter-information operations 23:45 - 29:10 - How do we prevent the free market choosing censorship? 29:10 - 31:08 - Can we shift government incentives away from censorship? 31:08 - 37:40 - The return of former disinformation tsar Nina Jankowicz 37:40 - 38:05 - Concluding thoughts #UnHerd #MichaelShellenberger #Censorship