Today on the flagship podcast of the many definitions of electronic paper: The Verge’s David Pierce takes a look at the Boox Palma, a phone-shaped e-reader that runs Android. He also compares notes with Clockwise’s Matt Martin and writer Craig Mod. The Verge’s Nathan Edwards and Tom Warren join the show to discuss their experience using Microsoft’s new Surface Copilot PCs. They also answer a question from The Vergecast Hotline. Further reading: The Boox Palma is an amazing gadget I didn't even know I wanted: https://www.theverge.com/24184777/boox-palma-e-ink-smartphone-reader New Pop-up Walk, Reading Digitally in 2024 — Roden Newsletter Archive: https://craigmod.com/roden/091/ Surface Laptop 7th Edition review: Microsoft’s best MacBook Air competitor yet: https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/25/24185462/microsoft-surface-laptop-7th-edition-review With Copilot Plus, the new and improved Windows PCs are here: https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/23/24183235/copilot-pcs-elden-ring-erdtree-hank-green-installer Microsoft’s embarrassing Recall: https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/20/24182350/microsoft-windows-recall-launch-on-arm Microsoft makes Copilot less useful on new Copilot Plus PCs: https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/21/24182979/microsoft-copilot-key-keyboard-shortcut-pwa 00:00 - Intro and Daylight DC1 02:04 - Boox Palma: a unique E Ink device 06:54 - User Experiences with the Books Palma 12:33 - Craig Mod's insights on digital reading 19:45 - The future of E Ink technology 26:47 - Microsoft Surfaces w/ Nathan Edwards + Tom Warren 35:38 - Performance comparison: M3 vs. competitors 36:11 - Battery life insights and benchmarks 42:01 - Surface Pro's detachable keyboard 47:08 - AI features and real-world applications 56:21 - Future of Windows on Arm and market impact (Vergecast Hotline) Subscribe: http://goo.gl/G5RXGs Like The Verge on Facebook: https://goo.gl/2P1aGc Follow on Twitter: https://goo.gl/XTWX61 Follow on Instagram: https://goo.gl/7ZeLvX Follow on TikTok: http://bit.ly/42VeCVU The Vergecast Podcast: https://link.chtbl.com/vergecast Decoder with Nilay Patel: https://link.chtbl.com/decoder More about our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts Read More: http://www.theverge.com Community guidelines: http://bit.ly/2D0hlAv Wallpapers from The Verge: https://bit.ly/2xQXYJr If you buy something from a Verge link, Vox Media may receive a commission without exerting any influence on editorial content. For more information about our ethics policy, visit: https://bit.ly/3P4bJgz