Jon is joined by political strategists Anat Shenker-Osorio and Michael Podhorzer to discuss how Kamala Harris and Tim Walz can rally the anti-MAGA base, the best way to approach Project 2025 with undecided voters, and "woke" vs. "weird". Want Pod Save America ad-free? Subscribe to Friends of the Pod: http://crooked.com/friends Our book Democracy or Else is out now! Get your copy at https://bit.ly/491j0oc. Profits support Vote Save America and 2024 campaigns. See Pod Save America Live on the Democracy or Else Tour! Get tickets at https://bit.ly/43lz6YO Subscribe to our channel! https://www.youtube.com/crookedmedia?sub_confirmation=1 Crooked believes that we need a better conversation about politics, culture, and the world around us—one that doesn’t just focus on what’s broken, but what we can do to fix it. At a time when it’s increasingly easy to feel cynical or hopeless, former Obama staffers Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett, and Tommy Vietor have created a place where people can have sane conversations that inform, entertain, and inspire action. In 2017 they started Crooked with Pod Save America—a no-bullshit conversation about politics. Since then, we continue to add shows, voices, and opportunities for activism, because it’s up to all of us to do our part to build a better world. That’s it. End of mission. Learn more about Crooked at http://www.crooked.com Follow the pod on Twitter https://twitter.com/podsaveamerica Follow Crooked on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/CrookedMedia/ Follow Crooked on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/crookedmedia/