Kelsi Sheren is a veteran, artillery gunner, and founder of Brass and Unity. Note from Lex: I'm aware that Jocko temporarily took down his conversation with Kelsi to remove the names of some of the people involved in order to protect their and their family's privacy. I did the same. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - Shopify: https://shopify.com/lex to get 14-day free trial - Justworks: https://justworks.com - Novo: https://banknovo.com/lex - Indeed: https://indeed.com/lex to get $75 credit - Onnit: https://lexfridman.com/onnit to get up to 10% off EPISODE LINKS: Kelsi's Twitter: https://twitter.com/kelsiburns Kelsi's Website: https://brassandunity.com Kelsi's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kelsie_sheren Charity: https://www.heroicheartsproject.org/ Do the F*cking Work (book): https://amzn.to/3mGhguF Notes from Underground (book): https://amzn.to/3mN5TRF Brothers in Arms (song): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhdFe3evXpk PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ Full episodes playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 Clips playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOeciFP3CBCIEElOJeitOr41 OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introduction 0:45 - World War II 11:48 - Yeonmi Park, starvation, and mental health 26:04 - Kelsi's 9/11 experience 29:34 - Becoming a soldier 36:01 - Artillery: The Hand of God 45:44 - Weapons training 1:03:29 - Pre-Deployment 1:19:36 - Arrival to Afghanistan 1:41:49 - Tragic war story 2:06:54 - Feelings after tragedy 2:10:36 - The Taliban 2:16:12 - Retrospective: 20 years in Afghanistan 2:32:51 - How war changes people 2:38:13 - PTSD 3:07:07 - Ayahuasca and mental recovery 3:39:04 - Love 3:57:07 - Advice for young people 4:00:27 - Death SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman - Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/lexfridman - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman