Joe Biden turns in a disastrous debate performance, missing an opportunity to take advantage of Donald Trump's (many) lies and unhinged moments, and sowing real doubt about his strength as a candidate over the long run. Jon, Lovett, Tommy, and Dan discuss what went wrong and what might happen now. Our book Democracy or Else is out now! Get your copy at https://bit.ly/491j0oc. Profits support Vote Save America and 2024 campaigns. Want Pod Save America ad-free? Subscribe to Friends of the Pod: http://crooked.com/friends See Pod Save America Live on the Democracy or Else Tour! Get tickets at https://bit.ly/43lz6YO Subscribe to our channel! https://www.youtube.com/crookedmedia?sub_confirmation=1 Crooked believes that we need a better conversation about politics, culture, and the world around us—one that doesn’t just focus on what’s broken, but what we can do to fix it. At a time when it’s increasingly easy to feel cynical or hopeless, former Obama staffers Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett, and Tommy Vietor have created a place where people can have sane conversations that inform, entertain, and inspire action. In 2017 they started Crooked with Pod Save America—a no-bullshit conversation about politics. Since then, we continue to add shows, voices, and opportunities for activism, because it’s up to all of us to do our part to build a better world. That’s it. End of mission. Learn more about Crooked at http://www.crooked.com Follow the pod on Twitter https://twitter.com/podsaveamerica Follow Crooked on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/CrookedMedia/ Follow Crooked on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/crookedmedia/ #podsaveamerica #trump #biden