Subscribe to Throwing Fits on Patreon. Our interview with Josh Willis is for the foos. Josh—the co-founder, designer and creative director of Second/Layer—was in town from sunny Los Angeles to brave the NYC cold and chat about being a janitor of all trades, getting what you pay for with knits, going a step beyond for customer service, the Dodger blue speaking to him like the Green Goblin mask, Good Art toolery, grom’s today ain’t got no respect, what if How To Make It In American took place in LA, Wear Second/Layer And You’ll Pull Bitches™, you need to figure out the first layer on your own, arriving at style vs. it just showing up, creative direction is easy but the production is hard, what’s even going on with sneakers these days, delivering on time is everything, differences between American and Japanese consumers, going to the bank or the street to keep things afloat, dear other brands: he sees your cheap tricks and how you’re barely a business, dressing like you give a fuck, hive mind design, what to wear when you get a newlywed blessing from the Pope, and much more on Josh Willis' interview with The Only Podcast That Matters™.