In this gripping interview, hosts John Dehlin, Radio Free Mormon, Kolby Reddish, and Rebecca Bibliotheca delve into a landmark court opinion that has sent shockwaves through the religious community. From the very first moment, the hosts dissect the heart of the matter: a $1.6 billion lawsuit revolving around tithing and alleged deceit. They unpack the ruling illuminating how religious institutions can be held accountable for fraud outside of the protections of free speech. With a compelling mix of analysis, declarations, and analogies, this interview resonates as a thought-provoking exposé of faith, deception, and accountability. As the interview concludes, listeners are left pondering the implications of the court's decision and the perception of a religious entity under scrutiny. Link to the 41-page https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2023/08/07/21-56056.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0z0RlmuGbs4QHRVQ6byrR4hxtFMJnO3ATZY6_OZoxAa0amlQMV1hjt_u8 Episode Show Notes: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/joseph-smith-polygamy-rfm/ 00:05:17 Paragraph one of the summary 00:10:15 Paragraph two of the summary 00:12:18 Paragraph three of the summary 00:14:12 Numbers not yet seen before 00:14:58 Paragraph four of the summary 00:18:26 This lawsuit has steered clear of the first amendment 00:21:20 Paragraph five of the summary 00:30:13 Last paragraph of the summary 00:33:30 Amicus Curiae on the case - Beckett is a Mormon 00:36:22 RFM Reading opinion piece, page four 00:38:00 Summary of the case, holding for the trial court 00:39:06 The amount of money Huntsman contributed in tithes 00:40:20 The amount Huntsman was asking back 00:42:38 Second paragraph of the opinion 00:45:00 Government inflation, the value of 1.68 billion back then is 2.53 billion today 00:49:00 There is no none tithing fund involved, EVERYTHING was tithing funds 00:51:44 Page seven reading - Five statements that tithing was NOT used 00:52:36 Huntsmans declaration quote 00:54:10 Punitive damages are about sending a message 00:57:35 The church's request to maintain financial information 00:58:34 Reading quotes from the church’s own motion 00:59:17 The church wants it both ways 01:04:20 the church misrepresents Huntsman’s claim, strawman argument 01:10:33 The fraud claims 01:20:25 Assurance by the Gordon B. Hinckley - what the dissent is saying 01:26:22 Four other statements AFTER the 2003 01:43:53 David Nielsen declaration 01:47:14 Declaration about Roger Clarke 01:49:51 Continuing the declaration concerning Roger Clarke 01:53:00 Unfalsifiable proposition 01:55:30 Rytting Declaration 01:59:00 Roger Clarke’s Declaration 02:14:38 Is the church more like Jesus or more like the pharisees? 02:16:00 Analogy if Hinckley had spoken in a different language 02:21:35 Final paragraph - the church misrepresented the funds 02:24:45 What does this mean? Where does it go from here? ___________________ At Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals. Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology 2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis 3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions 🤝Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today One-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?default_interval=m Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/mormonstories Paypal: https://paypal.me/mormonstories Our Platforms: 🌐Mormon Stories Blog: https://www.mormonstories.org/episodes 🎙️Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories ✳️Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4sDzk7dRjODTSEqzZKZJzk?si=148b0efc1ccc4404&nd=1 🍎Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormon-stories-lds/id312094772 🖼️Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories 📱TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstoriespodcast 🎮Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF Contact us: 📧 MormonStories@gmail.com 📬PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 #MormonStories #Mormon #lds