Today we welcome Todd Rose, the co-founder, and president of Populace, a nonprofit think tank that works to find solutions to redistribute opportunity, so all people have the chance to live fulfilling lives in a thriving society. Prior to Populace, he was a faculty member at Harvard University where he founded the Laboratory for the Science of Individuality and directed the Mind, Brain, and Education program. Todd is the best-selling author of Dark Horse, The End of Average, and his most recent book is called Collective Illusions. For part one of our interview, I talk to Todd Rose about intelligence. From both history and research, we know that standardized tests made the false assumption that an average baseline of intelligence can be captured through IQ. Until today, our education system continues to value general cognitive ability over more specific skills. Instead of focusing on test scores, Todd asks us to look at jagged profiles so we can create environments where everyone can thrive. To truly cultivate human potential, Todd asserts that we need to rethink our traditional frameworks about intelligence. Website: www.toddrose.com Twitter: @ltoddrose Topics 01:50 Dropping out of high school 04:20 Kurt Fischer’s Dynamic Skill Theory 09:33The problem with standardized testing 12:00 Jagged profiles matter more than IQ scores 15:26 There is no aptitude without strategy 22:54 Everybody is capable of excellence 23:58 Changes to improve our school system 28:23 Education transforms lives 33:59 How Todd got into an honors program 40:46 The bell curve of intelligence 43:22 Stop pathologizing natural human variation 47:40 IQ limits our view of human potential 58:43 Individual contribution over cognitive ability Subscribe to The Psychology Podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/psychology-podcast-dr.-scott/id942777522 https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-psychology-podcast-with-scott-barry-kaufman/the-psychology-podcast-with-dr-scott-barry-kaufman?refid=stpr See past episodes and join in the Discussion: https://scottbarrykaufman.com/podcast/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thepsychologypodcast?ref=br_tf Twitter: https://twitter.com/psychpodcast #ThePsychologyPodcast