Do members deserve to know where their dollars go? Or do those details deserve to be kept secret? Mark Pugsley is back in the house with John Dehlin to discuss the recent 60 minutes coverage of the current investigation into the Mormon Church's financial dealings. 00:03:25 Background on David Nielsen 00:08:40 David Nielsen is a sincere guy, he was just trying to do the right thing 00:12:25 Clip 1 - David Nielsen 00:14:20 Law of consecration 00:17:00 The church made 1.8 billion in the first three months of this year. 00:18:20 Clip 2 - SEC summary 00:20:00 I don’t think they followed their lawyers advice 00:21:50 Is signing false statements part of the law of consecration? 00:22:25 Ensign Peak exposed these people to criminal liability for over twenty years. 00:26:30 Utah has the highest rate of ponzi schemes 00:29:20 Clip 3 - Culture of Ensign Peak 00:30:20 Mission One was to hide the money. 00:33:46 Clip 4 - What is the value of Ensign Peak? 00:40:00 He said explicitly this is NOT for the Second Coming. 00:41:20 The church also counts member volunteer hours as “charity” 00:41:45 The amount of money going to charities is ZERO. 00:44:10 The church can ask if a girl touches herself, but members can't ask how much money they have. 00:46:40 Tithing is about control, more than it is about money. 00:48:55 Clip 5 - Not secret, it’s confidential 00:51:30 Ensign Peak should have been as an investment advisor, they manage other money, 00:52:00 Members should say “it’s confidential” rather than answering 00:54:20 The most effective missionary tool would be to send these boys out to build wells, feed people, house people, give clean water, etc. 00:59:00 The Church is using tithing money to settle these sex abuse cases 01:02:00 Once money goes in, it doesn't come out 01:02:25 Clip 6 - Tax Exempt Status 01:03:10 Mark thinks that’s not the concern, the US protects religious entities 01:05:29 Clip 7 - Bishop Waddell on Beneficial Life & City Creek Mall 01:08:48 Why are we using the money for for-profit ventures? 01:09:09 Clip 8 - Phillip Hackney how much charity is enough 01:10:15 There is a moral obligation for the Church to give to charity 01:13:00 Clip 9 - Erosion of Trust 01:14:28 He says “there’s no more discussion” about Ensign Peak 01:16:40 The church assigns financial numbers to ward members volunteer hours 01:21:10 Ensign Peak is the Church’s treasury, it’s the church’s bank. 01:24:00 If what results is shaming the church into doing more, this is all worth it. 01:26:25 Clip 10 - more on the SEC… 01:28:57 Most whistleblowers remain anonymous, 01:30:00 Clip 11 - IRS investigation 01:31:50 Breaking news from a Financial Clerk 01:35:40 The church assigns a dollar amount for people attending church 01:37:16 YM get 20,000 while YW get 2,000 per year 01:39:00 Clip 12 - The money quote 01:40:20 Isn’t it sad that only one of Ensign Peak had integrity to leave and speak out? 01:41:20 Criticisms of 60 Minutes 01:43:10 “A Letter to the IRS Director” 01:46:18 The Church’s response to the 60 Minutes report 01:50:00 Carah’s Tik Tok 01:52:37 Clip 13 - It’s easy to manage if you don’t have to be accountable 01:57:15 Find another organization to give your money to. ___________________ At Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals. Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology 2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis 3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions 🤝Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today One-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?default_interval=m Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Our Platforms: 🌐Mormon Stories Blog: https://www.mormonstories.org/episodes 🎙️Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories ✳️Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4sDzk7dRjODTSEqzZKZJzk?si=148b0efc1ccc4404&nd=1 🍎Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormon-stories-lds/id312094772 🖼️Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories 📱TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstoriespodcast 🎮Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF Contact us: 📧 MormonStories@gmail.com 📬PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 #MormonStories #Mormon #lds