Please join us for a panel discussion regarding a recent two-day LDS multi-Stake training in Canada focused on understanding LGBTQ members -- led by faithful gay Mormon podcasters Charlie Bird and Ben Schilaty (hosts of "Questions From the Closet" podcast). Is the Church losing too many members over its antagonism towards LGBTQ people and rights? Does this training represent a "Gay Mormon Rescue," reminiscent of the Swedish Rescue and Boise Rescue from previous years? What aspects of this training are groundbreaking and should be celebrated? Is this a local/grass-roots effort or is it sanctioned by top LDS Church leadership? Panel Members: Kyle Ashworth https://www.youtube.com/@LatterGayStories Julia Sanders https://www.youtube.com/@analyzingmormonism1380 Gerardo Sumano Maven https://www.youtube.com/@amazinmaven CHAPTERS 00:00:00 Intro & panel 00:09:40 Background info on use of the term “Rescue” 00:17:45 Mormon Homophobic History recap 00:20:00 Gay Mormon Currency 00:28:00 2015 Policy Fiasco 00:32:00 Excommunication push for gay & lesbian couples 00:33:00 Positive Steps 00:41:45 Charlie & Ben 00:49:00 Stake & Stake Pres 00:51:30 Clip: Opening Prayer 00:55:30 Clip: Stake Pres Engen introduces fireside 01:05:45 Clip: Temple Recommends and LGBTQ Support 01:10:00 How confusing it is for an average Mormon to navigate what to think 01:18:05 Clip: How to love & support LGBTQ members 01:20:30 Magnitude of an openly gay man being allowed to teach LGBTQ issues 01:32:30 Clip: Passive Suicidal Ideation 01:38:45 Clip: Assume LGBTQ members are in every class/lesson 01:43:00 Clip: Black/White thinking doesn’t work 01:46:05 The great faith of gay members who still show up despite rejection 01:48:00 Clip: Mini-quiz 01:56:00 Clip: Personalized revelation 01:59:45 ACTUAL consequences of LGBTQ following “personal revelation” 02:09:25 Clip: Good Samaritans 02:10:30 Members needed to be Samaritans to help heal the wounds that come from the Apostles 02:19:15 Clip: When did the Church change its policies? 02:21:45 Clip: Gordon B. Hinckley “[Gays] have a problem” 02:31:00 Clip: Feared, pitied, honored 02:34:07 Clip: Why me? 02:37:15 “Gay to build the kingdom” 02:46:30 Clip: LGBT challenges from outside the Church 02:53:15 Kyle: I’m tired of living in triage-rescuing LGBTQ Saints who are hurt by the Church 02:55:45 “Living my best life” audacity 03:02:30 Great to see bigoted parents change 03:04:30 Clip: Should priesthood leaders be a safe place to come out? 03:14:15 Mormon LGBTQ “Love” = bringing them back to Mormonism” 03:21:30 Clip: Individual love vs Institutional hate 03:31:30 Clip: Elephant in the room - opportunity for intimacy 03:50:40 Attending Area Authority M. Travis Wolsey 03:57:45 Lightning Round Episode Show Notes https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/1721-gay-mormon-rescue-w-charlie-bird-and-ben-schilaty/ Mormon Church & LGBTQ News https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxq5opj6GqOARvj9EIBbbWNntUbulVeBD The Swedish Rescue Playlist https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxq5opj6GqOAwudwIXgC7pVEiYsyfxDG3 ABOUT US: Mormon Stories Podcast is the longest-running and most successful podcast in Mormonism - hosted by Dr. John Dehlin. At Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We also occasionally interview scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals. Our overall mission is to: 1) Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology, 2) Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis, and 3) Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions. Mormon Stories Podcast is a product of the Open Stories Foundation - a 501c3 non-profit dedicated to supporting Mormons in religious transition. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?d... Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Amazon Smile: Be sure to select “Mormon Stories” website: https://smile.amazon.com app: https://amz.run/5r2M Our Platforms: Mormon Stories Blog: https://www.mormonstories.org/episodes Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4sDzk7d... Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstories... Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF Contact us: MormonStories@gmail.com PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 #MormonStories #Mormon #lds